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Age · Jun 27, 2007, 06:58 PM // 18:58

I would just like to say to Cottage Pie was it really necessary for your self to report this person.It is not like you are out a whole lot of gold.You had on you enough to buy 3 sets of Droks armour and on one other character you have FoW.What were you going for in the first place?

Cottage Pie · Jun 27, 2007, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by Age

I would just like to say to Cottage Pie was it really necessary for your self to report this person.It is not like you are out a whole lot of gold.You had on you enough to buy 3 sets of Droks armour and on one other character you have FoW.What were you going for in the first place?

oh the dyes in the bag were just to get labyrithine(?) monk armour. I tend to turn cash into dyes when they are at a low value and I know they will go up again (in this case cos of the dye weekend). Anyhow this isn't about the 2k geepee, it's about the disgusting behaviour of a player which is far more significant than virtual gold. I also sent the report in on behalf of others I was with.

But hey, according to the more bitter cases in this thread even bothering to report a scammer is somehow confusing. I'll count my blessings I'm not so easily confused. Also, that is what scammers themselves always say, so when someone else says it I instantly think they are probably a lame 50g-not-50k scammer.

I really find it hilarious how people who waste countless hours on games trying to get 1337 st0ff allude to the time, roughly seven minutes, it takes to submit a complete report in the hopes that unwelcome scammers will feel some heat. I'm really not sure what their point is. I could say they wasted their time posting such useless drivel in this thread, but their heads would explode.

gone · Jun 28, 2007, 03:43 AM // 03:43

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Originally Posted by aubee

Fwiw, being run does not make one a scammer. ANet is well aware of the Droks run and quite obviously intend for it to be possible albeit very difficult as they have adjusted its difficulty on more than one occasion. If they considered it a cheat, exploit, or scam and wanted it stopped, they could easily make the run impossible.

However, advertising a service, taking money, and then not providing the service is scamming and is against the user agreement AFAIK.

yea you're right..a scammer scammed an EXPLOITER. My bad.
-and in case you haven't noticed...the run DOES/IS get(ting) harder and harder..but nigh impossible.

the game was designed for you to have max armor when not even getting around half-way thru. lol. by paying someone gold. to run you.

lakatz · Jun 28, 2007, 04:27 AM // 04:27

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Originally Posted by flubber

yea you're right..a scammer scammed an EXPLOITER. My bad....

Your bad is right Flubber

... because it's not an exploit just like Aubee said (read Aubee's post again... especially since you quoted it)... and Cottage Pie is not an exploiter. There is a section right here in this very forum under Ventari's Sell titled "Services" which includes a lot of different running services... because running and being run is completely legit.

Cottage Pie...

I've been reading this thread for a few days now quietly admiring your energy, follow through and dedication to doing what is right. And I see it's time for me to stop admiring quietly.

BRAVO Cottage Pie!

gone · Jun 28, 2007, 04:43 AM // 04:43

lmmfao.

So if it's not a "scam" Or an "exploit" tell me why anet has made more changes to that certain area more so than others lol.

If it was meant to be a paid for service that ANET themselves wanted, why isn't there a Npc that will just transport you there for a set fee?

only reason it's not labeled a scam or an exploit is because the whiners have not banded together as of yet. -give it time.

runners have alot to do with the current state of PuGs.

arcanemacabre · Jun 28, 2007, 04:49 AM // 04:49

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Originally Posted by flubber

lmmfao.

So if it's not a "scam" Or an "exploit" tell me why anet has made more changes to that certain area more so than others lol.

If it was meant to be a paid for service that ANET themselves wanted, why isn't there a Npc that will just transport you there for a set fee?

only reason it's not labeled a scam or an exploit is because the whiners have not banded together as of yet. -give it time.

runners have alot to do with the current state of PuGs.

What in the hell are you smoking? Or are you just being severely sarcastic? Please tell me this is an elaborate joke.

Look, if Anet didn't want people to run, they would simply board up the exit from Beacon's Perch to Lornar's Pass. Simple fix. Bam. Why do you suppose they haven't done that since, as you say, it's an "exploit"? Of course, if you're joking, no need to answer that question.

gone · Jun 28, 2007, 04:59 AM // 04:59

It is a complete exploit, you know it..I know it...Anet knows it..Everyone who ever paid for a run knows it. That's why people pay for it. to have something that low level classes shouldn't have.(maxed out armor in this case).

What are you smoking? If it wasn't worth it, why would people even seek out a "run", when they can attain the same rewards thru regular gameplay?

only reason it's not boarded up is because at one time runners made up a large bit of the community. They prolly still do. But if reports get flowing in of scammers...etc.etc..etc..bye bye running...and all that other jazz that goes with it.

arcanemacabre · Jun 28, 2007, 05:07 AM // 05:07

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Originally Posted by flubber

only reason it's not boarded up is because at one time runners made up a large bit of the community. They prolly still do.

What does this mean? It's not boarded up because "runners made up a large bit of the community"? Well if it's an exploit, as you say, wouldn't that be the reason for boarding it up, not against? I am failing to see your logic, here. Just because something has a potential for scamming doesn't mean it's an exploit by definition, if that's what you're getting at.

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Originally Posted by flubber

If it wasn't worth it, why would people even seek out a "run", when they can attain the same rewards thru regular gameplay?

So you also think it's wrong for people to give their lowbie characters max weapons? I mean, don't see much difference, it's all gear. Max armor, max weapons, same thing. Besides, two more missions and they're at Lion's Arch, and able to travel to Kaineng to get max armor themselves. I fail to see how this imbalances anything. Maybe in the early days of Prophecies, but not now.

1 up and 2 down · Jun 28, 2007, 05:20 AM // 05:20

Flubber I can give you an example as to why Anet could just easily board it up. Take for example the Urgoz Warran exploit, Anet stopped that and people still complained and they didn't care. They can just as easily board up the gate to Lomars just like arcanemacabre said. The Black pre market was full of exploit items(expert salvage kits & bags with runes of holding) Anet stopped those exploit items by introducing Charr bags and Charr kits into the game.

So if running was an exploit Anet would stop it.

gone · Jun 28, 2007, 05:33 AM // 05:33

It's not wrong lol. it's accepted as part of the game. Because on the whole, the majority wants this(runs). The majority have been thru the campain fully, multiple times.

there used to be whole guilds dedicated to running. I'm sure that(ending running) would have made alot of bad-blood back in the day if it was boarded up. Instead they just made it more of a challenge. As far as unbalance...there was a time when going into the ascalon/other low end arenas and wacking away at someone with max armor wasn't fun.

max items? they can be had for $5
/bonusitems
but notice...armor isn't included.

It's funny that people pay for mission runs...but who am I to judge? I mean they paid the $50...who am I to say they can't let others play the game for them?

All I'm getting at is; one runner that burns someone....Bah....Fugg it.
if the OP wasn't doing something that really wasn't meant to be...they would have never got burned.

arcanemacabre · Jun 28, 2007, 05:33 AM // 05:33

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Originally Posted by 1 up and 2 down

So if running was an exploit Anet would stop it.

Exactly. It's only an exploit if Anet says it is, by definition. In fact, they have said they think running is a viable service. It's working as intended - NOT an exploit in the least.

gone · Jun 28, 2007, 05:46 AM // 05:46

yeah it's great to see that lv.12 at THK. wanting in your group...

but we know they fought there.

arcanemacabre · Jun 28, 2007, 06:01 AM // 06:01

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Originally Posted by flubber

yeah it's great to see that lv.12 at THK. wanting in your group...

but we know they fought there.

THK is just as hard with high-level mobs as the surrounding areas around Kaineng City, and you can easily fight your way there at lvl 12. What's your point? How is it any different? Anet made it possible for both to happen, and this has been the case since 2005. What's the big deal?

jrk247 · Jun 28, 2007, 06:05 AM // 06:05

I'm getting sick of people whining about scammers/runners, yes you got scammed but you have to realise the risk of what you are doing. You trust someone to run you, you agree to a payment (usually before you leave) if you don't like the way you have to do it don't do the run. People get scammed all the time by runners. If you are going to cheat (notice how I said cheat not exploit) the system deal with the consequences. Yes it sucks to get scammed but it's no need to always invade the forums because of it. Best way to avoid runner scams is to pay after you get to an outpost, if you can't get the runner to do this I would not get a run from them.

gone · Jun 28, 2007, 06:19 AM // 06:19

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Exactly. It's only an exploit if Anet says it is, by definition. In fact, they have said they think running is a viable service. It's working as intended - NOT an exploit in the least.

rofl
yes running SKILLS are working as intended.

If max armor was meant to be on a low level character, why isn't it given right from the start?

lol @ lv 12 holding his own...not w/o lv 20's around.

Why do you think max armor is available so soon in factions/nightfall.
Why do you think Levels are acquired so fast in aforementioned campaigns?
Why do you think it was made 'harder' to run these other campaigns?

arcanemacabre · Jun 28, 2007, 06:35 AM // 06:35

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Originally Posted by flubber

Why do you think max armor is available so soon in factions/nightfall.
Why do you think Levels are acquired so fast in aforementioned campaigns?
Why do you think it was made 'harder' to run these other campaigns?

Uhh, yeah. Why do you think, huh?

Seriously. You have all the info you need, you just need to put it together in your head. Mull it around a little, it'll click eventually.

A little hint: Level and armor mean little to nothing in GW.

gone · Jun 28, 2007, 06:51 AM // 06:51

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Uhh, yeah. Why do you think, huh?

because running is working as intended? lol...that's why those changes have been made...yeah to help the runners out..

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Seriously. You have all the info you need, you just need to put it together in your head. Mull it around a little, it'll click eventually.

I'm already outside of the box. the rest need to play catch-up.

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A little hint: Level and armor mean little to nothing in GW.

really? Then why are there such things -ingame-? I think the devs might say otherwise. If they mean nothing why isn't everyone naked and still at lv4?

a low level with max attribute points etc... will still get hammered by a higher level that knows what he/she is doing. That is a whole other thread though.

jrk247 · Jun 28, 2007, 06:52 AM // 06:52

One thing that I thought I'd throw out there. Not everyone is getting runs to get max armor. They could've been getting run to get some other 15k armor sets, so don't think they are trying to get max armor all the time. And yes some people do get runs to get max armor, but it really shouldn't matter to you only reason it would matter/affect you in any way is if you were playing PvP with them but even then in PvP you all have max armor (or should and if you don't it would be your fault). So please stop ranting about how running is a HUGE game exploit. The truth is that it isn't Anet had realised this and they have even put the term in their guides/wiki. An exploit would be a game bug that people abuse over and over not a runner. If Anet didn't want people running/ferrying they would just add (or remove) some code and poof you can't run past this giant wall or you can't have anyone in your party to ferry anywhere. So stop trying to tell us it's a huge exploit, because if it was it would have been dealt with a long long time ago.

Why do you think there are gates in Faction's/NF AND you get max armor/weapons early in the game?

Let it sink in for a bit before you post some rant about how we're all wrong you are right.

gone · Jun 28, 2007, 06:56 AM // 06:56

well...pretty much you are all wrong. Only reason action has never been taken against runners is because the community/anet supports the exploit.

period.

no one like the truth. No one..

jrk247 · Jun 28, 2007, 07:28 AM // 07:28

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Running

I guess everyone's wrong but you, even Anet!

...and if you haven't noticed yet. /sarcasm